How I think the Constitution should be balanced against the R-6 Deadeye (including stats)
There have been plenty calls to buff the Consitition and I totally agree, so this is what I think should be done.
I myself come from a realism background with my arguments, so I looked at the performance of what the IRL projectiles would look like in a direct comparison
the closest what the R2124 would fire is good o'l 30-06, most likely some Black tip AP bullets to crush some clankers and make more E-710
The R-6 deadeyes IRL counterpart is the 45-70gov, a big fat round that hits lightly armored threats like a absolute truck but does not have the penetration power like a pure Tunsgten or steel core AP round with a better cross section density.
this means that the Constition should have better AP than the R6, but slightly lower damage
Nerfing the R6 is out of question, so buffing the Constititions AP and damage would make sense.
Another reason to buff its AP is that in HD1 the Constition shot AP rounds:
https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Helldivers_1:M2016_Constitution
also not how this is the "2016" model, we got the "2124" so its updated and likely better!
I spend the last 2hours now crunching the numbers, so lets see how this buffed R-2124 compares to some of the AP-4 weapons that shoot bullets:
Damage Per shot
Armor | R-2124 (buffed) | R-6 | P-4 Senator | R-36 Eruptor | AMR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
0 | 200 | 300 | 200 | 455 | 450 |
1 | 200 | 300 | 200 | 455 | 450 |
2 | 200 | 300 | 200 | 455 | 450 |
3 | 200 | 195 | 200 | 376.25 | 450 |
4 | 130 | 0 | 130 | 149.5 | 292.5 |
Damage Per full reload
Armor | R-2124 (buffed) | R-6 | P-4 Senator | R-36 Eruptor | AMR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
0 | 1000 | 2400 | 1200 | 2275 | 2700 |
1 | 1000 | 2400 | 1200 | 2275 | 2700 |
2 | 1000 | 2400 | 1200 | 2275 | 2700 |
3 | 1000 | 1560 | 1200 | 1881.25 | 2700 |
4 | 650 | 0 | 780 | 747.5 | 1755 |
DPS Peak + (30 Second Average)
Armor | R-2124 (buffed) | R-6 | P-4 Senator | R-36 Eruptor | AMR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
0 | 200 (133.3) | 501 (240) | 666 (280) | 186.6 (151.7) | 3001.5 (855) |
1 | 200 (133.3) | 501 (240) | 666 (280) | 186.6 (151.7) | 3001.5 (855) |
2 | 200 (133.3) | 501 (240) | 666 (280) | 186.6 (151.7) | 3001.5 (855) |
3 | 200 (133.3) | 325.6 (156) | 666 (280) | 154.3 (125.4) | 3001.5 (855) |
4 | 130 (86.7) | 0 | 432.9 (182) | 61.1 (49.7) | 1948.7 (555) |
for the 30 second DPS values I didnt include a higher reload speed that a stripper clip would give the R-2124
Also note that the R-36 Eruptor damage values are all lower than the reality, because it also still deals explosive damage that I did not consider here
All in All giving the Constitution a slight damage buff and AP4 wouldnt make it broken, it would infact make it a bit more viable considering the other projectile based AP4 weapons people like to use.
#justiceforboltactions
There have been plenty calls to buff the Consitition and I totally agree, so this is what I think should be done.
I myself come from a realism background with my arguments, so I looked at the performance of what the IRL projectiles would look like in a direct comparison
the closest what the R2124 would fire is good o'l 30-06, most likely some Black tip AP bullets to crush some clankers and make more E-710
The R-6 deadeyes IRL counterpart is the 45-70gov, a big fat round that hits lightly armored threats like a absolute truck but does not have the penetration power like a pure Tunsgten or steel core AP round with a better cross section density.
this means that the Constition should have better AP than the R6, but slightly lower damage
Nerfing the R6 is out of question, so buffing the Constititions AP and damage would make sense.
Another reason to buff its AP is that in HD1 the Constition shot AP rounds:
https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Helldivers_1:M2016_Constitution
also not how this is the "2016" model, we got the "2124" so its updated and likely better!
I spend the last 2hours now crunching the numbers, so lets see how this buffed R-2124 compares to some of the AP-4 weapons that shoot bullets:
Damage Per shot
Armor | R-2124 (buffed) | R-6 | P-4 Senator | R-36 Eruptor | AMR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
0 | 200 | 300 | 200 | 455 | 450 |
1 | 200 | 300 | 200 | 455 | 450 |
2 | 200 | 300 | 200 | 455 | 450 |
3 | 200 | 195 | 200 | 376.25 | 450 |
4 | 130 | 0 | 130 | 149.5 | 292.5 |
Damage Per full reload
Armor | R-2124 (buffed) | R-6 | P-4 Senator | R-36 Eruptor | AMR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
0 | 1000 | 2400 | 1200 | 2275 | 2700 |
1 | 1000 | 2400 | 1200 | 2275 | 2700 |
2 | 1000 | 2400 | 1200 | 2275 | 2700 |
3 | 1000 | 1560 | 1200 | 1881.25 | 2700 |
4 | 650 | 0 | 780 | 747.5 | 1755 |
DPS Peak + (30 Second Average)
Armor | R-2124 (buffed) | R-6 | P-4 Senator | R-36 Eruptor | AMR |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
0 | 200 (133.3) | 501 (240) | 666 (280) | 186.6 (151.7) | 3001.5 (855) |
1 | 200 (133.3) | 501 (240) | 666 (280) | 186.6 (151.7) | 3001.5 (855) |
2 | 200 (133.3) | 501 (240) | 666 (280) | 186.6 (151.7) | 3001.5 (855) |
3 | 200 (133.3) | 325.6 (156) | 666 (280) | 154.3 (125.4) | 3001.5 (855) |
4 | 130 (86.7) | 0 | 432.9 (182) | 61.1 (49.7) | 1948.7 (555) |
for the 30 second DPS values I didnt include a higher reload speed that a stripper clip would give the R-2124
Also note that the R-36 Eruptor damage values are all lower than the reality, because it also still deals explosive damage that I did not consider here
All in All giving the Constitution a slight damage buff and AP4 wouldnt make it broken, it would infact make it a bit more viable considering the other projectile based AP4 weapons people like to use.
#justiceforboltactions